Ill-informed rantings and half-baked theories from someone who should know better.
Wednesday, August 01, 2007
Absolute proof.
Two conversations:
1. q. 'The police are onto me. What am I going to do?'
a. 'Nothing has been found out about you.'
q. 'I need to come up with some story. Something to put them off the scent.'
a. 'Tell them that you have to (leave) as you have a daughter here. Do not tell them anything else.'
q. 'What exactly has Aunty said to the police? Do they know about me and Kafeel and our plans? What do they think it is that we're doing?'
a. 'Aunty told him that brother Kafeel used it (the SIM card). He is in some sort of 'project' over there.'
2. q. 'Help me - they are making up lies. I'm in a complete panic. What am I supposed to do?'
a. 'Nothing has been found out about you.'
q. 'What if they think I'm leaving the country for suspicious reasons? What should I say to convince them of the truth?'
a. 'Tell them that you have to (leave) as you have a daughter here. Do not tell them anything else.'
q. 'All I did was loan Kafeel my SIM card. What is he doing with it? What's going on?'
a. 'Aunty told him that brother Kafeel used it (the SIM card). He is in some sort of project over there.'
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the first ever terrorist to call and check in with British police four times after being suspected of evildoings.
This is growing farcical, it really is.
105 days til the next election.
Did you hear the response to the question that was asked 4 or 5 times?
ReplyDeleteJF.Will you release the full copy of the transcript?
KA.It's not up to me
The art of deletion at it's best
A fundamental practice of this government
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Don't let the facts get the the way of good scare story. Don't you know theres an election coming up?
ReplyDeleteWill the executive's behaviour have kept tourists away or helped terrorist organizations gain recruits who are aggrieved at Australia? If so, the executive may have committed treason or sedition themselves by giving assistance to terrorists.
ReplyDeleteAlso worth noting that it emerged during the conversation on 774 between Faine and Andrews that the chat was conducted in Urdu and it's been translated into English by the AFP and released by Andrews.
ReplyDeleteThey won't release the chat in Urdu for independent translation, and as a quick play around on Babelfish will attest, the translating can mean all the difference when it comes to understanding the meaning behind what someone is saying.
Also... umm... something something Britney Spears blah blah Kate Richie's porn video la la la la *pokes*
ReplyDeleteWhere the feck is Kevvy Rudd in all of this? This is making me a bit scared that he is gonna end up as a Howard lite. Meet the new PM same as the old PM. Im not confident in our Pepsi/Coke system so I drink RC Cola.
ReplyDeleteNicely done, Fits.
ReplyDeleteInteresting summary of the gigantic holes in the Government's case on Crikey, for those that understand legal talk.
ReplyDeleteHey Jess - Faine and Andrews were chatting away in Urdu? I find that a bit hard to believe. :-)
ReplyDeleteKevin Rudd is doing the brilliant tactic of not rocking the boat, and instead tell the various premiers to do it for him.
ReplyDeleteKev doesn't figth the water plan to not piss people off, but gets Bracks to attack.
Kev doesn't fight the indigenous Australian policy to not piss people off, but gets WA prem to attack.
Kev doesn't fight the Hanif thing to not piss people off, but gets Beaty to attack.
Great tactic, really.
Laurie Oakes calls for Kevin Andrews' resignation in The Bulletin (and that was written before this latest deception). I saw 'Jaba' on the Today show this morning and he made a big point of Haneef trying to phone the UK police and why KA didn't go on to mention that in the press conference. Oakes clearly hates KA and it's probably the first time I've concurred with him.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, on Sunrise, their phone-in poll received over 2,000 calls with 87% saying Haneef's visa should not be renewed. It just goes to show how easily people absorb and respond hostilely to disinformation.
Never over-estimate the intelligence of the Australian electorate (or Sunrise viewers). I know the government knows how fucking stupid they are.
In the case of the water & indigenous issues you might be better off looking at the fact that both Vic & WA have quite discrete political & policy interests in the respective issues. In WA the governemt had been developing & implementing alcohol & crime management strategies in indigenous communities without any federal interest for a number of years. Similarly in Victoria, complex water management issues including allocations & environmental flows have been longstanding & far more developed than the still ill-defined grandstanding proposed by the Feds. If you think the state & federal political interests of any party are synonymous I'd invite you to look at Australian political history. Not that Rudd would be crying himself to sleep over the stoushes mind you.
ReplyDeleteTantrik, phone, online & tv polls are represntative only of those who have an interest in participating in and/or rigging them. Try looking at some of the results of the ninemsn poll - from memory a poll re Blundstone boots was a standout with close to a million votes for one side.
ReplyDeleteon a slightly related matter, there is hardly any noise over the gov't introducing new 'sneak and peek' laws. This is no longer the thin edge of the wedge, we're about halfway along it now.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.smh.com.au/news/national/new-sneak-and-peek-powers-for-police/2007/07/31/1185647903263.html
Fits, I hope your undies draw is neat and your 'puta clear of terorist jokes because you're one seditious leftie who may be worthy of a visit!
epon_anon, I understand what you're saying but a wedge issue like the Haneef case usually draws dramatic responses from both sides of the poll. The SMH or Age may have a closer split but that doesn't alter my opinion that the Sunrise audience is fundamentally stupid.
ReplyDeleteWhat details should the public know and when about such investigations?
ReplyDeleteNews Broadcast: News just in. Police are going to conduct a raid this afternoon on 17 Smith Street. At 4pm. There will be 12 police. Oh and 2 dogs. They will simultaneously enter through the front and back door, but they will leave the toilet window unguarded. You should be fine.
Are we ourselves only in possession of partial truths? Is that an assumption that suits the powers that be. "I am sure Mr Howard knows what he is doing and there is things that we don't know, so I am sure this fellow did something wrong to warrant all this attention. Best left up to them. Good Job."
Are feds 9 to 5 chumps on low salaries, or highly intelligent slightly eccentric extremely dedicated idealistic super cops bent on protecting the innocent public from harm? ......hot fed super cop chick.....
Nothing to see here. Move along. That means you lefty.
I think there is more to this on this guy. I truly do. This isn't sitting well but I think I am leaning to the right on it. And I am a lefty.
ReplyDeleteWitty Psue, you provide an example of an operation not an investigation per se. And the Feds have provided exactly such details to the media previously in a counter-terror operation so I guess it depends on the case. The questions I ask is how effective has the investigation been & what exactly did the Immigration Minister's intervention add to the investigation? What was the purpose of Andrew's intervention & was it necessary or even helpful?
ReplyDeleteThose subtle questions are lost if we are not in possession of all the facts.
ReplyDeletehow was the ginger factory. i can't believe just how wrong i was with my guess. hehe. 2 choices and 100 per cent wrong.
ReplyDeleteFits, how about coming out and saying something about your fearless leader Rudd who has so far agreed in full with everything the government has done. Lately he has sent Lindsay Tanner out to do the agreeing for him. Rudd is becoming such a Howard clone its hard to tell them apart.
ReplyDeleteIf you had any objectivity or sense you'd be as critical of federal labour as you are about the government. You are becoming such a predictable bore.
I'm keeping an open mind on the Haneef stuff but I really don't like, on the balance of what is being revealed, what the govt has been pushing (with memories of Kids Overboard, Hicks, Vivian Alvaraez-Solon, etc etc etc).
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that Rudd is doing exactly what what so many of us want - not fucking it up! The government has tied itself in knots on this without needing any help from the opposition.
I also understand that Rudd (in the course of the national security briefings he receives on a regular basis as Opposition Leader) received briefing from the AFP similar to that which senior members of the Government received.
I mention this because I think it goes to character in government/politics - assuming both sides received similar, albeit perhaps misleading, information about Haneef it was the Libs that chose to go overboard and try to exploit it by blowing the immigration dog whistle. Rudd was smart to let the AFP sort it out, in much the same way Gordon Brown has slightly embarrassed Bush by arguing he wants to see terrorism become a policing (rather than military) issue.
I am curious as to how easy/difficult it is to get a sim card over in the UK. If it was as easy as it is in M'sia where you just front up and plonk your dosh, then it is a non-issue.
ReplyDeleteie. Why would a person need to supply a sim card when it is just as easy to walk up to a shop.
A friend on mine built a website requesting the resignation of Kevin Andrews: http://andrewsmustresign.com/
ReplyDeleteThanks for the reference Lachlan, been up all night trying to spread the word about the 'Kevin Andrews Must Resign' site.
ReplyDeleteThe Government' attitude and conduct is so farcical that it spurred me to spend three entire days and nights building the site.
http://andrewsmustresign.com/
Just saw a bit of Media Watch re: the police wrote in his diary. The cop asked him is this your handwriting? He says no. The cop goes to check a few things says yes your right I thought this was a photocopy of your diary actually it is a copy handwritten by an officer, did you write these things in the back of your diary? Yes. The journalist omitted a vital sentence or two and it sounds like the cops set him up. Absolutely fascinating that show I tell you. The other bit was Laws: Qantas are sponsors of mine, that doesn't affect my opinion of them, I love them they are my favourite airline. Hilarious!
ReplyDeleteStill relevant ...
ReplyDeleteYou read the paper, watch the news and think you're well informed;
I've got some new for you my friend
That headline that you read, the story that broke
Was a scandal and a scam, a political master stroke -
They tell you what they want you to hear
So close your eyes and open your ears ...
your high court agrees with you
ReplyDeleteThe news . . . and other fairy stories.
ReplyDeletefreehugstommy - i've heard that theory a couple of times this week. it is a clever tactic and i hope that's what he is doing. i'm petrified he's going to be a conservative clod even when he takes the reins. howard-lite indeed.
ReplyDeleteIt was interesting that the High Court were discussing the Communist Party of Australia recently. There were some good people in that lot. It's unfortunate there's not a homegrown political movement at present that scares the government as much as the ACP used to do.
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